Okay, if anyone cares to read the stats I put in my original post and comment on it, that would be great! I spent a little time putting that info together but no one is reading it or it isn't clear (not sure which). To be clear the 147K that I made on the NB Ad I participated in is AFTER the ad fee was taken out and OVER MY AVERAGE SALES FOR THE WEEK. The ad brought me 297K more than normal, subtract the 150K I paid for it and you get 147K. Dmitri, I feel your pain! :) _____________________________________________________ ~ Mimi's Ménagerie Avatars ~ http://www.neopets.com/browseshop.phtml?owner=temps_bons&misc

I have NO idea what stats you are even on about. I wasn't commenting about your stats at all, just couldn't be bothered to remove the mass of quote. I was quoting sweet for saying even if making 1np off an ad after covering cost is worth it. Thats what I was disagreeing to!

[quote=temps_bons]Final Results of participation in my first 4 MIL Ad: (Avatar Button) 239 Hits from the Ad in 7 days 1,231,035 TOTAL sales (GROSS SALES for the week) + 463,324 TOTAL sales (Total GROSS sales amount more than the average) NOW FOR THE MATH: + 297,478 PROFIT (NET SALES/PROFIT which were more than average) - 150,000 for AD (minus the cost of the ad) = 147,478 more Profit from the Ad Any opinions on these data? _____________________________________________________ ~ Mimi's Ménagerie Avatars ~ http://www.neopets.com/browseshop.phtml?owner=temps_bons&misc[/quote] I am still not sure if 147K is good profit or not for a 150K ad. I posted all the data to hopefully avoid the kinds of post I got: "well you have to see how much profit you normally make and subtract the ad cost" -- I did that and the total profit I got from the ad is 147K more than normal (and "profit" by it's very definition is what is after all expenses have been deducted). In other words, I am sure I did the math correctly but wanted to post it so folks would not ask questions instead of giving me their opinion on whether that is a decent amount of sales to come from an ad. Yes 1 np is better than nothing but I'd rather keep the 150K in my bank account than loan it to an Ad if I am only making 1np (which is less than the interest). I think the real problem was the way I phrased the question, "Any opinions on these data?" I should have put, "Is that good for an ad in your experience? How much do you normally get and let me know the button you buy." I hope this doesn't come across as pissy, I'm just trying to be clear about what my question is. _____________________________________________________ ~ Mimi's Ménagerie Avatars ~ http://www.neopets.com/browseshop.phtml?owner=temps_bons&misc

I see :) I didn't even read any of that the first time around if i'm honest 0:-) I resurrected the thread due to my own experiences yesterday. Having top with wearables on a day like that I probably couldn't have made much more, and yet the results weren't exactly sky high. Made me question more how worth it ads are, so I thought id get this back up. As I clicked last post, I of course saw Sweets reply, which is when I then clicked quote and waffled on :P Anyway back to the topic in hand, I actually think you did really well off that ad. I would say you should take part on a weekly basis with them results (providing this becomes the common result). Here is a few other things that you need to include in decision making though. - Back to school, as more kids start heading back to school, the results may end up being different, and so you should probably analyse your results from the ad weekly. - The stats you posted could have just been an odd popular week for sales in your category, so you should take part a few more weeks, note down the data and then average it out to check. - Weeks where the ad doesn't reach top should also be considered, even the best of posters cannot guarantee top, it's a fine line between getting top and falling off too early on a competative day, and of course if the poster snoozes by even a second the ad could end up coming as far down as 4th on its peak day. (That happened to me yesterday when posting and it took me just 2 seconds to post the ad) Whether the ad falls off a day early, or ends up being second, third, or even fourth or more, would of course make a huge difference in the overall profit.

[quote=kirsty_to_stay]I see :) I didn't even read any of that the first time around if i'm honest 0:-) I resurrected the thread due to my own experiences yesterday. Having top with wearables on a day like that I probably couldn't have made much more, and yet the results weren't exactly sky high. Made me question more how worth it ads are, so I thought id get this back up. As I clicked last post, I of course saw Sweets reply, which is when I then clicked quote and waffled on :P Anyway back to the topic in hand, I actually think you did really well off that ad. I would say you should take part on a weekly basis with them results (providing this becomes the common result). Here is a few other things that you need to include in decision making though. - Back to school, as more kids start heading back to school, the results may end up being different, and so you should probably analyse your results from the ad weekly. - The stats you posted could have just been an odd popular week for sales in your category, so you should take part a few more weeks, note down the data and then average it out to check. - Weeks where the ad doesn't reach top should also be considered, even the best of posters cannot guarantee top, it's a fine line between getting top and falling off too early on a competative day, and of course if the poster snoozes by even a second the ad could end up coming as far down as 4th on its peak day. (That happened to me yesterday when posting and it took me just 2 seconds to post the ad) Whether the ad falls off a day early, or ends up being second, third, or even fourth or more, would of course make a huge difference in the overall profit.[/quote] I completely understand and that makes sense (why you didn't answer my poorly worded question)! Thank you for the great information! I had no idea that the ad would just disappear sometimes before hitting the top spot. I must say that without the Sunday peak I would have lost out on 130 clicks and the most sales I got from the ad. I will keep participating and evaluating the results. It is difficult to find an avatar button! Luckily my mall sponsors an independent 4 mil ad. Again, thank you so much!! _____________________________________________________ ~ Mimi's Ménagerie Avatars ~ http://www.neopets.com/browseshop.phtml?owner=temps_bons&misc

IMO ~ I agree with what D said. One other comment I have is I see the words "profit" and "sales" being used interchangeably. You really need to subtract all your product cost for "profit". Also, if you are in a high volume shop and you have to spend all your neo time replacing stock it kinda turns into work instead of a game. I like restocking my shop but my time is limited, so...??? Bottom line ~ I participate in an ad.

[quote=giant242]IMO ~ I agree with what D said. One other comment I have is I see the words "profit" and "sales" being used interchangeably. You really need to subtract all your product cost for "profit". Also, if you are in a high volume shop and you have to spend all your neo time replacing stock it kinda turns into work instead of a game. I like restocking my shop but my time is limited, so...??? Bottom line ~ I participate in an ad.[/quote] I see sales and profit used interchangeably quite often too so I added the more specific terms Gross and Net to try and clear things up. Gross is equal to total sales while Net is equal to profit which is total sales minus costs (stock & ads in my case). ____________________________________________________ ~ Mimi's Ménagerie Avatars ~ http://www.neopets.com/browseshop.phtml?owner=temps_bons&misc