[quote=kermat13] I think it is wrong of people to charge 1000nps for an item that cost 100nps. If good shops are easier to find, more competitive price will take place and those that take advantage of people with what I consider "over inflated prices" will suffer from there own attempts to take advantage of people. Now, I know this post will be very unpopular, chances are if you don't like this post you are either over charging--excessively--which in my opinion means you are taking advantage of others or you are very self-centered and don't want to help newer people with smaller shops succeed with there goals and make it easier for more competitive shops in the MM. In the end, it is a game and everyone should be able to have fun, and not be taken advantage of and be able to reach there goals in less that 4 years of almost constant work. My shop was built mostly on shop profits, you won't find a fancy home, fancy clothes, a fancy gallery(most gallery items were donated by a dear friend) or even fancy battle dome or any other major stats. I have spent almost all of my time on my shop. I am not complaining cause that is what I have chosen to do. I think the accomplishment to MM is way too hard for a majority of casual players to achieve. Getting rid of EMPTY stores (inactive would stay as long as items are available for sale) would help younger players set and acheive goals and at least be able to get into Spooky with reasonable effort. Spooky seems like a trivial effort at this point now that I am in MM--but try to remember how hard it was to get started and how excited you were to reach goals like size 100 and sppoky marketplace. Books! Reasonable Prices!! http://www.neopets.com/browseshop.phtml?owner=kermat13&misc[/quote] Brave post LOL :P I can understand your point of view, however I don't agree. I don't take advantage of people, it is down to the buyer to research what they are buying and look around for a price that suites them. I think as long as people aren't advertising anywhere that their prices are "great" or "cheap" then they are not taking advantage. When noobs come whining to me on the boards about how expensive my shop is, I always reply "no where does it say my shop is cheap, if you don't like it go elsewhere!" There is always a choice. Even those who have little knowledge of the site must, for the vast majority at least, understand that there are many shops to choose from and so they have the choice to go elsewhere and look for better prices etc. I'll admit right now, I DO charge excessively. This is because I don't have the time to stock quite frankly. Currently most days i'm online less than 20 minutes a day, I can't keep my shop stocked as it is without having fair prices. If I was fairly priced my shop would be empty. Yes I am also self centered and selfish. I don't want people getting to main, unless I know the person, ie a friend etc, then I could care less if it takes someone ten years to achieve main market. I firmly believe if you want something you should work for it. It took me around a year or so to get to main market size and I reached size 1k just under a year after reaching main. To cut this essay reply of mine to an end, the long and the short of it is, I couldn't care less about making it easier for other players to reach main. I agree the size needed now is crazy, which is why if I ever lost this account there is no way i'd mall again on a new account. ___________ [color=gray]Kirsty, aka evil super mod[/color] [size=11][i]Sniper, maller, restocker Silverdragon siggy stealer Best wearables shop owner ever![/i][/size]

[quote=kermat13]The reason I suggested getting rid on inactive shops is to help newer people who will be able to compete and getting rid of the dead weight. I am MM shop size and it took an amazing effort over 4 years. The thought process was to be able to get good stores competing with each other and maybe get rid of some of the people who overcharge so much for things. I think it is wrong of people to charge 1000nps for an item that cost 100nps. If good shops are easier to find, more competitive price will take place and those that take advantage of people with what I consider "over inflated prices" will suffer from there own attempts to take advantage of people. Now, I know this post will be very unpopular, chances are if you don't like this post you are either over charging--excessively--which in my opinion means you are taking advantage of others or you are very self-centered and don't want to help newer people with smaller shops succeed with there goals and make it easier for more competitive shops in the MM. In the end, it is a game and everyone should be able to have fun, and not be taken advantage of and be able to reach there goals in less that 4 years of almost constant work. My shop was built mostly on shop profits, you won't find a fancy home, fancy clothes, a fancy gallery(most gallery items were donated by a dear friend) or even fancy battle dome or any other major stats. I have spent almost all of my time on my shop. I am not complaining cause that is what I have chosen to do. I think the accomplishment to MM is way too hard for a majority of casual players to achieve. Getting rid of EMPTY stores (inactive would stay as long as items are available for sale) would help younger players set and acheive goals and at least be able to get into Spooky with reasonable effort. Spooky seems like a trivial effort at this point now that I am in MM--but try to remember how hard it was to get started and how excited you were to reach goals like size 100 and sppoky marketplace. Books! Reasonable Prices!! http://www.neopets.com/browseshop.phtml?owner=kermat13&misc[/quote] I think if you're not willing to invest the neopoints into getting to MM, why should you get the rewards? Why should people who have invested hundreds of millions of neopoints in their shop suffer so that others can sail into MM? as for over pricing, I can see your point, but I disagree. I think if we all priced our shops at around SW prices, whats that point in spending millions upgrading? Its the buyers responsibility to check the value before buying something. Also, if everything was priced so low that it flew off the shelves, it would be hard enough to keep one page of stock, nevermind the mallers who have 10+ pages in stock. Its a lot of extra work for them, for lower profits, and then they can't offer one of the things I think malls do actually contribute, convenience. While I know better than to buy things from kirstys shop (:P), I do often browse her shop to search for wearables I might want to purchase for my pets. Anyway, I hope my post made -some- sense, its still very early over here :P

Yup.same here. I used investments and whatnot to get to main. And getting to size 1000 was mostly from more investments, reselling, and later restocking. And that took about a year. I still think relying on mini malling to accomplish a substantial task such as getting into main is futile. It's just better to use that money to invest and resell (or restock if you can or willing to learn how to type fast) Not to mention, many of the rules of mini malls are LOLOL. As for restocking, You dont really need a "fast" internet or computer nowadays. Almost every internet is fast enough and I managed to restock morphing potions using a 10 year old computer lol As for malls under size 250, i wouldnt even bother with them lol, unless you want a banner in your shop or something lol. Shop wizard shoppers generally do not click on the mall banners, and it's not worth all the restrictions and headaches these malls often come packaged with

So that is why they did it. The Bakery

Well, I agree and disagree. LOL! I agree that a larger shop simply must price items higher or they sell out too fast to keep up with. You just can't restock that many items in a day. For me, I don't normally sell ANY item under 1k just because the sales history won't show it and that's what I use for restocking. Also, I have tried pricing a bunch of the junk books (I'm a book store) at 100 np to 470 np and frankly, they sell better when I price them at 1k. Cheap books just sit there. 1k books sell. And these are the same books! So, no, I don't think that's taking advantage of anyone, I think it's just doing what works. As for judging people's fairness or ethics based on their prices in their shop, that's just not possible. Prices jump around so much in a given hour or day that you can't always be within a certain range of superwiz, even if you try. I know because I restock every hour or two and the price fluctuations can be dramatic. So, I think it's nuts to judge a person by their shop prices. I have priced many items around lowest on SuperWiz just to have them drop like a rock and be selling for half that the next day. Very few items maintain a set price. The thing I wish I could agree on is the internet statement. No, all internet is not fast enough these days. I live in a very rural area and it's not possible to get any major player like Quest or Comcast. There is only one provider and they only have so much technology available this far out (not enough human density to pay for the services). I have the fastest internet connection possible for my area, but I sit and watch and tap my fingers while the pages load. It takes approx 3 minutes for me to restock one item. I know because I've timed it. Waiting several minutes to buy one item from a shop never works. By the time my page loads to the offer-money-on-it page, the item is already gone. So, another thing not to judge. I'm not lazy. If I had the technology to restock from the shops, I'd be all over it like a rash. But pages loading that slowly just don't work. I've tried many times. :( Thanks for all the investing tips, I'm going to try that! :) ...and supre_drake, I didn't mean I bought an item after it got Tarla'd, I meant before. I've had several expensive items I was hoarding suddenly get given away by Tarla and then the price plummets and they are worthless. I hate it when that happens! :P On that note, does anyone know whether it's worth it to hold onto my Fire, Fire, Pants on Fire Paint Brush? I have been holding it hoping they would go up in value or get retired or similar, but Murphys law says if I keep holding onto it, Tarla is bound to give them away. Anyone have advice on that? Thanks! :) ~ Love books? Please visit my bookshop. :) http://www.neopets.com/browseshop.phtml?owner=lolooma

I doubt fire pbs would ever be given out by anything like tarla, they are much too expensive for that imo. They could be given out as part of a future plot though (whatever one of them is :P) or some other means. On the whole decent pbs tend to rise in price over time, so unless you are in a hurry to sell it, I see no harm in rushing, you could always sell it and use it to buy other smaller investments though which you might make more off over the same period of time. As for rsing, I still need to disagree with you. Yes your connection sounds nothing short of horrific in this day and age. But not all neopian shops require a speedy connection. Just to use them as an example, when I used to rs (I don't have the time these days) I used to rs in petpet shops. I'd have ten shops open at once and flick through the tabs. Decent petpets can sit for minutes at a time, even the likes of candychans. So while you wont see much, those shops really are boring stuff. If you sat with just one open, maybe two in the dead hours, i'm sure you would get some of what you see. Obviously some petpet shops are busier than others, but yeah, I think you should try it out sometime :) ___________ [color=gray]Kirsty, aka evil super mod[/color] [size=11][i]Sniper, maller, restocker Silverdragon siggy stealer Best wearables shop owner ever![/i][/size]

Well, what seems to have taken most people 1 to 4 years to do, I did in 9. I invested in retired items to have them given away by the hundreds as "random events". I invested in Christmas paint brushes half a year before they became an Advent item. My internet connection is fine, it's me with the dexterity problem. I can't RS to save my life. I started my own mini at size 75 and I beat the boards every day for over two years drumming up traffic. I know what it means to make a 10 point profit on a thousand point item ~ better ten points than no point! Until this last year I was ALWAYS low on the ssw. I now have a shop that cost nearly 50 million points and I have had to stock that shop, nearly that much again! Like so many others, I don't have time to sit around stocking my shop, creating bargains for others. I do not feel badly if someone gets a faerie quest and buys my healing potion one for way more than it cost me. If that person wasn't able to easily find a shop (my shop) how would they find this item? If someone wants something I have, and are willing to pay what I ask ~ done deal! Now, this thread started about this new link. I think it means squat!

Then there's that whole grocery thing too. Bottled water costs $0.10 in a grocery store whereas if you go to an amusement park, it's almost $3 a bottle lol

I've had a ton of items in my galleries Tarla'd too. They're not the same as hoarded investments, but it does get annoying when you buy something for a few hundred k and it becomes buyable or even like 10np. I have a stamp, petpet and spooky gallery, so for a while it felt like she was looking in my galleries to choose what to give out =/ But for all that annoyance, all you need is a few of your investments to work to come out ahead. I'm lucky that I started a stamp gallery pretty much when stamps were first introduced. I missed a lot of nice ones when they were cheaper, but getting a Candychan Stamp buyable and forgetting about it in my gallery for a few years is what funded my jump to main. I don't usually sell off my gallery items, but that one was just too hard to resist (and back then TNT was talking about re-releasing retired stamps). But of course there are always mistakes, like selling my hoarded Draik Morphing Potion for 2.5 mil a few years ago. It had been steady at that price for a long time, and I didn't think it would get much higher than that - wrong :K (But I originally bought it for 250k, so it was still a nice profit.) As for pricing, I sometimes buy from mall quest shops for the convenience, so I feel like it evens out a little. I guess I still feel guilty sometimes but there's no way I could keep up with a SSW-priced shop.

[quote=Dmitri]Then there's that whole grocery thing too. Bottled water costs $0.10 in a grocery store whereas if you go to an amusement park, it's almost $3 a bottle lol[/quote] $3 I don't know D. Either you haven't been to an event lately or things are a lot cheaper up there! lol