Advice- categories+malls?

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Pirateowns
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Advice- categories+malls?
Hi, my neopets account is ancient_realms. I have been malling for several months now and am now seeking some more advice. I actively seek knowledge cauz thats how I roll 8D. I've read just about every thread inside this forum category and I still have tons of things I am curious about. First off, I'm wondering if I should switch to training/maps/luck + PBs/MPs/neggs. I currently run a food shop and in around 10 days, I have made around 800k in profits. As a note, I restock in the main shops on occasion too. I'm not loving how slow food is most of the compared to how much effort I put in. I SW price a good deal of restocks, but most of my sales come from the Shop Ads board. I spend an estimated 4 hours a day advertising my shop on weekdays, but on weekends, I'm usually doing so for 10+ hours. Perhaps a bit obsesive, but it works. How would I do with PBs/MPs/neggs + training/luck/maps? I use to do training/luck/maps, it was my favorite, but when I compared my profits, it took me 22 days to make 800k. I was curious whether PBs/MPs/neggs would be a decent supplement to the category. Now it brings in my second request for advice. I'm currently in the Preschool branch of the Nursery Malls. The people in the mall are amazing, but my branch has little to no people who either wiz price their shop or advertise their shop as compensation for their prices. I was recently rejected of being allowed the two potential categories above currently opened in the Preschool branch, so my question is whether or not I should go independent for a bit or just be content in getting one spot in the branch. I make note that my shop's hit average is around 100, whereas members of the Preschool branch are generally 15- in average hits. To show an example, I came home from school with 14 hits below my mall member of 15. I'm going to sleep with around 80ish hits, but my member has barely moved 2 hits during that whole time. Some days I just feel like I am carrying the branch. ------------------------------------- *star*MODERATOR NOTICE | ** LOCKED ** At the request of user(s) -------------------------------------
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If you have concerns about your fellow branch members, please bring it up to your branch manager. Without the nursery mall, I would not have been able to do anywhere near what I have done. I started at the lowest branch, and stayed there till I pushed to the new branch opening. IMO PBs/MPs/Neggs/Maps/Luck/Training is just too much for one person, hence why it is in 2 categories. I am sure the branch managers would never reject you on having one of the categories, but both is a bit much. ----------------------------- Your home to everything! All priced fairly! The Kindergarten's General Shop! A Part of the Nursery Mall! http://www.neopets.com/browseshop.phtml?owner=taintedkrys84 The Nursery Mall has 5 branches with openings! Come join us! http://www.neopets.com/~onyxleone
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Having low hits/barely any work towards your way should no way constitute having someone kicked out, especially if you're the same as the rest of them. Why should my branch members change if the branch manager herself is in the same boat so to speak? I'm not going to lie, but I don't think the Preschool has helped me whatsoever in terms of bringing in more profit. I think if I went solo I would probably bring in the same amount. I'd also say I don't think the branch manager is active enough to manage a branch, I sent her a neomail a minute after she replied to my other one. She has not sent a reply in around 20 hours. I doubt that being a newer Nursery member, I'll get any say over branch management because that's just how these friendship things work. You stick up for each other no matter what. Taking that into consideration, a newer member's opinion is practically ignored. Note: I would not try to argue against that statement because I've been ignored/flamed for some of my suggestions. In my opinion, the category isn't that large that my shop cannot adequately handle all that stock. I'll elaborate. MPs/PBs fill up barely any space, thats including PPBs. Neggs takes up less than 150 shop spaces if I planned to stock just one; However, I am well aware of purchasing large quantities of Negg Token neggs. Even so, the combination of several small categories should not create a major problem. Training/Maps/Luck category as of my old portal, took about 800 item slots. It included several bulk stocks of SW petpet lab map pieces and a variety of useless unsold luck items. Of course the useless unsold luck items will not be occupying my shop spaces again. Training items are numerous, yet I do not plan on stocking 100s of codestones in my shop at once :/ At most my bulk stocks would be SW inflated prices. To sum it up, I am positive I can do several small categories at once. Just a note, I'm looking for more unbiased comments. I do not want to see several mall members jumping me for making this thread. I've been saying these things on the chat boards, but as soon as I say them I am ignored and everyone goes on to talk about something else. If you have mostly unbiased comments, feel free to help advise me. C:
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I have a few things to say. No one's keeping you in the mall. If you don't like it - leave. It's that simple. There's a few reasons why they split categories. One being that the categories may be too big for one person to successfully manage. Second being that the more people in a mall - the more hits the mall gets. If you have people carrying more than one category, it decreases the number of shops that will bring customers in. Mini malls such as the Playground are great malls to help people grow their shop. Everyone started out somewhere. It's a place to help you come up with upgrade goals and stock goals. If you don't like it, if you feel like you're carrying the branch, then leave. I'm not in the Nursery but I don't like the way you're talking about the malls, the members and especially the management. They are great people and they don't need people to undermined them. They are doing an excellent job, they have been established for a long time, and they have brought up many, MANY members and helped them get to the main market. Don't forget that neopets is just a game, and the management of these malls are managing because they WANT to, they're not getting paid. This is supposed to be fun for them too, they don't need people bashing about them on an off site malling forum. That just makes them look bad. PS: I think the training/luck/mp/negg/pb shop is waaaay too big for most. There's one person that I can think of that has most of that.... she has pb/mp/maps/neggs and her shop has 15 pages of stock. Way too much for anyone less than Main Market, in my opinion. How's that for an unbiased opinion? Go independent if you're going to have that attitude. It'd be good for everyone.
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You're being very rude towards your fellow mall members, now. With an attitude like that, maybe you should go independent...
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I totally agree with Kimmie too. All of our branch managers put a lot of time in the mall, and they're doing it voluntarily. Did you really expect a 24/7 neomail answering service? Give them a break...
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Okay just to clear things up. No one was trying to flame you, we were only trying to help you out with advice from our own malling experiences. But then you said you didn't care what other people said... It was merely a misunderstanding I believe. You have to understand, mini malling will always be like that. No one asked you to carry the entire branch on your shoulders. Your expectations were too high and now reality has hit, that is all. No need to get worked up about it :* Think of the Preschool as an opportunity to gain new experience and knowledge. Some people like the experience and slowly work their way up to the top, while others do not and choose to opt out. Many of today's most successful shops began their malling careers with the Nursery Malls or other mini malls. They couldn't have done it without their very first malls. I applaud you for the effort you put into maintaining your shop, and I respect you for your dedication. However, it is unfair to expect everyone in the mall to do the same. Many people are also interested in other aspects of the site and most are busy with their offline lives. Instead of spending 10 hours advertising your shop in the shop ads, use that time to restock or play kq or whatever you need to do to earn money. In malling, money buys happiness. It buys you a nice shop size and a great hut position and membership to a mm mall. Devote your time on earning np instead of obsessing over shop hits. If you wish to go solo, go ahead. It might be the better route for you! If you believe you can take on PBs/MPs/Neggs/Maps/Training at once, then that's great, no one is stopping you or forcing you to stick with the Nursery. Just keep in mind that there's a reason why rarely anyone takes on all those categories. If you are unhappy with your mall, simply send your branch manager a goodbye neomail instead. Many people would agree with me that the Nursery Malls is one of the best mini malls around. If it's not up to your standards, then perhaps malling isn't for you. Best of luck!
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Thank you Leah, that was all very well stated. If anyone wishes to continue this thread, I would like to suggest it be kept to Johns initial question: [quote]First off, I'm wondering if I should switch to training/maps/luck + PBs/MPs/neggs. I currently run a food shop and in around 10 days, I have made around 800k in profits. As a note, I restock in the main shops on occasion too. I'm not loving how slow food is most of the compared to how much effort I put in. I SW price a good deal of restocks, but most of my sales come from the Shop Ads board. I spend an estimated 4 hours a day advertising my shop on weekdays, but on weekends, I'm usually doing so for 10+ hours. Perhaps a bit obsesive, but it works. How would I do with PBs/MPs/neggs + training/luck/maps? I use to do training/luck/maps, it was my favorite, but when I compared my profits, it took me 22 days to make 800k. I was curious whether PBs/MPs/neggs would be a decent supplement to the category. [/quote]
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Let me see, I am simply stating the facts. I am not trying to offend anyone, because I do not want to get personal with anyone. For you Kim, I have been told by my mall branch manager that it is not a matter of bringing more exposure to the mall. Even so, people who barely put any effort into their shops do not bring the desired exposure. In addition, I am not insulting the people themselves. I have nothing against anyone, in fact I love most of the members. You say they manage because they want to, but management takes effort. I'd like to note that four members had not updated their banners 8 days after I had joined. I think that's more than enough time for someone to take notice. Perhaps I'm sounding more like a hypocrite now in the above message, but I can't explain it without sounding a bit like one. C: Freya, I suggest you either leave or at least contribute to the thread in a positive way. I'm not looking for a flame war, nor am I looking to be called a Creepy Stalker person again either ^.^ Leah, The comments begged to differ on that "no one was trying to flame you" In fact, I think people would have kept up with that if not a person had made a statement of how rude it was to insult me because of my neomailing. When I defended my opinion, it turned into a flaming of the one "weirdo" who neomails anyone who buys from his shop the second they buy something. Now I'm going off that subject now. I will not respond to anything else regarding that. You are right about my expectations are high, but some SW priced stock or even bumping up a board for the few minutes you're on is just too much effort for some people. Is malling worthwhile to them when their shops are barely moving any stock? I'm sure everyone has high expectations about malling when it concerns their own shop profits. Every person dreams of making amazing profits from malling; However, where is the dedication for Mini-Mallers? Nursery has raised its standards of shop sizes, but shop size doesn't really matter for Mini-malling. What annoys me the most is that the larger shop size does not improve effort. If people wanted experience malling, they would maybe mall? I was told when people made their upgrade goals they were doing well, but what experience do you gain if your upgrades comes 90% from games/KQ, your not truly gaining experience on Malling. It'd be hard to disagree with that statement. You make a statement of "Many of today's most successful shops began their malling careers with the Nursery Malls or other mini malls. They couldn't have done it without their very first malls."; However, how many people fail before they reach Main Market? I'm well aware of high turnover rate for Playground. I feel that as you go up in branches, you should be more dedicated to malling, but most people are not profiting from their shops to make upgrade goals themselves, therefore making their shops more of a dead weight than an asset. As reference to what I first said directed at you, I also do not just sit there staring at the Shop Ads board doing nothing apart from posting my ad all day. To everyone who suggests I should go solo A solo shop probably will end up better for me. Perhaps I'm referencing other people's comments, but there is nothing wrong with my attitude towards malling. You interpret my attitude as a loner or someone who thinks too highly about his own work. No. That is absolutely not the way I think about malling. I simply believe everyone should pull their weight. That is not the wrong attitude towards malling. I am willing to sacrifice because it leads to the common good. If that is wrong then please say it again. Perhaps I'll learn to be more selfish like my brothers and only think of myself more. I don't want to be like my brothers, who are spoiled beyond belief. I don't want to get everything I want just because I ask for it. I've learned to work hard to get what I want not just sit back and expect it. Is that what is considered wrong these days because I do not want to be the sad pathetic person who is doing the wrong thing the whole time. Perhaps I am an absolute fool. Team effort should not be asked for therefore I should be able to lower my expectations. When I hit main market, I should just expect a bunch of other mallers doing anything to profit for themselves. Life lesson learned? Just give me the word of being selfish is the right thing to do and I'll learn that life lesson permanently. Thank you Zixi.
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Mmkay I believe I have made my point, so I won't repeat myself. You have listened to our opinions but chose to stick to your own. That's perfectly fine, I understand. :) Neo is meant to be fun, not stressful or irritating. The Nursery Malls tries its best to get everyone to pull their own weight, but some things are difficult to achieve. Hope you fine malling more enjoyable with a solo shop! :*
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Debating brings out many more ideas. I'm willing to compromise, but what you stated is not typical advice. Its more like defense of your mall. 4/5 what you posted was not directly linked to advice. I'm not criticizing you or anything, but my primary problem was not the mall itself. It was mostly just about the category change, but it turned out this way just as I predicted it would be- Nursery mall members all coming out just to attack. Now I will no longer talk about the mall, for I have already given my notice. If you want to be a hater feel free to mail me. I will personally make sure your hating will fail. If I get one message, I'll make sure to find every flaw I can dig up ^o^. Its my personal favorite thing to do. So much fun~ I was looking for shop advice, not needing to defend my own ideals.

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